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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

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  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  @problemaddict,

  There is a french site with an offline library of BOE letters, available upon request.

  By the looks of it they do have the 1997 child abuse letter.

  http://www.watchtowerwayback.org/index.php?article69/eng-83-new-updated-letters-from-the-watchtower-to-bodies-of-elders-in-the-usa-1977-to-2001
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  What kind of teeth does this San Diego court have to MAKE Watchtower pay the bill?
  If it doesn't have the authority to MAKE Watchtower hand over the document (well, it hasn't been able to thus far),.... what would be the next step for this court?

  In most civilized countries the courts will first ask parties to comply, then they'll start with monetary punishment...and finally they might take uncooperating parties 'hostage' in jail until they comply....so Watchtower Inc. officials might even end up there...
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  “The court sets a status conference for July 22, 2016 to hear from the parties whether the monetary sanctions have been effective.”

  So, if this doesn't work they'll up the ante...
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  BTW if I recall correctly this is only the first level of multiple levels of enforcing WT to comply with court orders.

  From the top of my head:

  [edit]
  I may be confusing multiple court cases. Can anyone confirm or deny what I wrote below?
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  1. Court orders WT to produce documents
  2. WT refuses
  3. Court puts a $13.5 million punishment on WT
  4. WT appeals
  5. Appeal court agrees with lower court that WT should produce documents, but rules that first lower level instruments should be used to make WT comply with the court order
  6. Case is referred back to lower court
  7. Lower court uses first level instrument to make WT comply: a $4k per day punishment.

  So, if WT continues to refuse to listen to and obey the court, they will not be blessed. More punishment will be coming their way...
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  Why the Bible cannot be the work of an all-wise God that epitomizes love.

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's simply no way to honestly deny that the ot condones genocide, slavery and misogyny.

  there are too many passage showing yahweh commanding his people to wipe out this nation and that nation - women and innocent children included!

  it leaves us with a god who wrote a book that very, very, very much seems like it condones genocide, but it doesn't, etc.. what kind of god does that?

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  Wheres PERRY ?

  Perry acts like his fairy Sky Daddy: all in your face annoying the hell out of you when it suits them, but conveniently disappearing when 'tough' questions are asked...

  
  
  
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  Good news! Unfortunately most dubs will never hear about this....
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  Introduction - Any Believers?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

  i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

  i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

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  @Cofty,

  I agree with what you are saying, but strictly speaking you're wrong anyway

  Centuries before the Bible was written people were helped by their gods just as rebelfighter was helped by her god.

  And even now there are countries full of people who have no clue about the Bible but believe in all kinds of gods.

  So everyone can claim anything about any God...with or without Bible or religion. It just doesn't make sense.
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  Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.

  so here are my comments.

  after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.

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  Where did you get this belief from?
  You bought it at the Religion shop like everyone else !

  Exactly my idea. Some Believers try to say atheists confuse religion and faith in God.

  I sat that at least every Christian does as well.

  The Bible is a product or result of religion, not a source of religion. Hence every Bible based belief is from religion, not from God.

  Without religious writings and religious tales, much less people would belief in god(s), and nobody would belief in a God called Jahweh who sent his son Jesus to die for our sins.

  So, those who believe in non-personal gods might be true god-believers...all others think they have a direct line with gods but are really just following ideas coming from one religion or another.

  The only people confused about the (non) separateness between God and religion are believers...
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  More misleading content on JW.org

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is “the end of the world”?the phrase “the end of the world,” which appears in many bible translations, can also be rendered as “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the close of the age.” (matthew 24:3;english standard version) it refers, not to the destruction of the earth or of all humanity, but to the end of the framework of human society.—1 john 2:17.. conveniently leaving out that according to current numbers and doctrine, 8.000.000 people will survive at max.. technically is not a destruction of all humanity....but it comes so close it deserves to be mentioned.. of course it isn't mentioned, because that would sound so extreme, cultish and unkind.

  we wouldn't want people to get the right ideas about jw.organization now, would we?.

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  What is “the end of the world”?
  The phrase “the end of the world,” which appears in many Bible translations, can also be rendered as “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the close of the age.” (Matthew 24:3;English Standard Version) It refers, not to the destruction of the earth or of all humanity, but to the end of the framework of human society.—1 John 2:17.

  Conveniently leaving out that according to current numbers and doctrine, 8.000.000 people will survive at max.

  Technically is not a destruction of all humanity....but it comes so close it deserves to be mentioned.

  Of course it isn't mentioned, because that would sound so extreme, cultish and unkind. We wouldn't want people to get the right ideas about JW.organization now, would we?
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  @Berrygerry...

  Interesting question!